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Ethel Evans
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What is meant by "Automated tests don't find new bugs"?
yeah, I'm picking that up. I'm finding it frustrating, because automated testing can and should be thought of as being - at least potentially - so much more. Anyways, I think I've found a new pet peeve :) Time to go laugh at myself!
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What is meant by "Automated tests don't find new bugs"?
The statement, "If you run a test with the same input, it should have the same output" breaks down for other types of testing besides fuzzing - stability testing often is "run until it breaks", testing features with inherent randomness can't have this feature (e.g., I'm testing a random sampling feature right now), etc. Someone distinguished between "testing" and "checking" once, but I can't find the articles - but I thought that was a useful distinction.
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What is meant by "Automated tests don't find new bugs"?
Thanks, Bruce, I thought that was the distinction you were aiming at. I appreciate your patience in clarifying these terms for me. I think the concepts got conflated because testers so naturally added in semi-random data with their random testing (since it's a fairly small set of changes to the fuzzing tool to have it run semi-random data as well).
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What kind of testing should a developer do before passing a build to the QA team?
The one change I would make is to make step 4 be step 1. Do the reviews on the plans first. This allows the developer to build in testability features and helps the tester avoid writing useless tests or missing key areas for testing. A review after coding might also be good, but I think a pre-review is much more important. @glowcoder, with the modification I mentioned, we do this on our (small, Agile) team, and I saw this at Microsoft as well (large, branch-and-merge). Both hire management with experience as senior developers, which seems key.
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What is meant by "Automated tests don't find new bugs"?
Thanks, I wasn't getting the idea that the bug 'isn't a bug' if it's fixed so quickly that it doesn't really spend any time in the code. Do you have more information / good links to read on 'test data generators'? I'm trying to figure out if the people I've worked with have used the term 'fuzzing' loosely when they were doing what you are talking about at least some of the time, or if there is a greater distinction that I'm just not familiar with. When I've seen people 'fuzz' in the past, they did have x% of the tests be category A, y% category B, etc., where A & B are defined by a regex.
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How can I report coverage on an n-dimensional test matrix?
I second Tangurena's comment. Drilldown reports are very handy for displaying this kind of information.
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How can I report coverage on an n-dimensional test matrix?
This is what I was thinking! I've never used it either, but all pairs or something similar sounds promising.
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Testing techniques repository?
Maybe something like a Design Pattern archive for developers, but with testing techniques? I could see that being useful. It seems analogous to this site dofactory.com/Default.aspx
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What books would you recommend to start learning about software testing
It's getting a little outdated IMO, but for an absolute beginner I still don't know of anything better.
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How to organize test documentation?
+1 for team wiki. I love, love, love this solution. I've seen every one of these solutions, but like the wiki best (followed by source control).
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How to organize test documentation?
I would disagree. For just one example, it's pretty rare that a person will want to read a test plan without also reading the functional spec, and that kind of cross-referencing needs to be easy to do.